Do you for one moment suppose any of us knows enough to call God into question? 10-13 And that’s not the only time. 4 They are (E)Israelites, and to them belong (F)the adoption, (G)the glory, (H)the covenants, (I)the giving of the law, (J)the worship, and (K)the promises. The Absoluteness of Christ and the Universality of God’s Love. But the stone is me! God told Rebecca, “The firstborn of your twins will take second place.” Later that was turned into a stark epigram: “I loved Jacob; I hated Esau.”. 2:16; 3:24; Phil. If we can make general comments on what we think Paul was wanting to say. 1 At the same time, you need to know that I carry with me at all times a huge sorrow. Romans 9:10-13 MSG. . First, as with all theological issues, … Feb 21, 2001. And that’s not the only time. 11:7, 1 Pet. 25-26 God sacrificed Jesus on the altar of the world to clear that world of sin. This is part of a series of posts on Romans. Romans 10:9, ESV: "because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved." What God did in this case made it perfectly plain that his purpose is not a hit-or-miss thing dependent on what we do or don’t do, but a sure thing determined by his decision, flowing steadily from his initiative. I’ve put a huge stone on the road to Mount Zion. New International Version (NIV) 3 For I could wish that I myself were cursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my people, those of my own race, If you’re looking for me. How could they miss it? gives us the metaphor for pulling this together: Careful! It’s the Israelites . 15 For he says to Moses, (X)“I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” 16 So then it depends not on human will or exertion,[b] but on God, who has mercy. I’ve put a huge stone on the road to Mount Zion. 32:4; 2 Chr. The gospel is good news for all who believe, whether Jew or Gentile. 118:22]. 22 What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience (AE)vessels of wrath (AF)prepared for destruction, 23 in order to make known (AG)the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he (AH)has prepared beforehand for glory— 24 even us whom he (AI)has called, (AJ)not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles? -determined by promise. . 19:7; Job 8:3; 34:10; Ps. 11:10; 1 Tim. What is the main message and theme. I think this … Oh, yes! had not provided us a legacy of living children, How can we sum this up? I’m in charge of compassion.” Compassion doesn’t originate in our bleeding hearts or moral sweat, but in God’s mercy. 3:9; Heb. (AB)Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?” 21 (AC)Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump (AD)one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? Do you for one moment suppose any of us knows enough to call God into question? This is Paul’s message in Romans, and Romans 9–11 fit perfectly into this overall theme. God doesn’t count us; he calls us by name. Amen. 5 To them belong (L)the patriarchs, and from their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ, (M)who is God over all, (N)blessed forever. 9 For this is what the promise said: (R)“About this time next year I will return, and Sarah shall have a son.” 10 And not only so, but (S)also when Rebekah had conceived children by one man, our forefather Isaac, 11 though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad—in order that God's purpose of election might continue, not because of works but because of (T)him who calls— 12 she was told, (U)“The older will serve the younger.” 13 As it is written, (V)“Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”. . If you’re looking for me,    you’ll find me on the way, not in the way. Romans 9 does deal with God’s predestining Israel to be hardened 2000 years ago. 2 It's an enormous pain deep within me, and I'm never free of it. Commentary on Romans 9:25-29 (Read Romans 9:25-29) The rejecting of the Jews, and the taking in the Gentiles, were foretold in the Old Testament. How could they miss it? Crossway Bibles, a publishing ministry of Good News Publishers. Hosea put it well: I’ll call nobodies and make them somebodies;    I’ll call the unloved and make them beloved.In the place where they yelled out, “You’re nobody!”    they’re calling you “God’s living children.”. 4:24; Eph. Isaiah (again!) God doesn’t count us; he calls us by name. Clay doesn’t talk back to the fingers that mold it, saying, “Why did you shape me like this?” Isn’t it obvious that a potter has a perfect right to shape one lump of clay into a vase for holding flowers and another into a pot for cooking beans? If you’re looking for me. From the outset, not all Israelites of the flesh were Israelites of the spirit. gives us the metaphor for pulling this together: Careful! It’s an enormous pain deep within me, and I’m never free of it. The problem goes back a long way. Remember that promise, “When I come back next year at this time, Sarah will have a son”? To Rebecca, also, a promise was made that took priority over genetics. Because they did not pursue it by faith, but as if it were based on works. I grew up with them. 9 I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost, 2 That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart. Not so fast, please. In the place where they yelled out, “You’re nobody!”, they’re calling you “God’s living children.”, If each grain of sand on the seashore were numbered. I’m not exaggerating—Christ and the Holy Spirit are my witnesses. 29:14; Gal. . God told Moses, “. They have stumbled over the (AW)stumbling stone, 33 as it is written, (AX)“Behold, I am laying in Zion (AY)a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offense;    (AZ)and whoever believes in him will not be (BA)put to shame.”, Copyright © 1993, 2002, 2018 by Eugene H. Peterson. If the big decisions are already made, what say do we have in it?”. 9 1-5 At the same time, you need to know that I carry with me at all times a huge sorrow. It’s an enormous pain deep within me, and I’m never free of it. 20-33 Who in the world do you think you are to second-guess God? And so they stumbled into him and went sprawling. 17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, (Y)“For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.” 18 So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills. This is the core of our preaching. How can we sum this up? 6-9 Don’t suppose for a moment, though, that God’s Word has malfunctioned in some way or other. From the outset, not all Israelites of the flesh were Israelites of the spirit. 1:9, Gen. 17:2; Deut. They had everything going for them—family, glory, covenants, revelation, worship, promises, to say nothing of being the race that produced the Messiah, the Christ, who is God over everything, always. How God Makes Known the Riches of His Glory to the Vessels of Mercy. All those people who didn’t seem interested in what God was doing actually embraced what God was doing as he straightened out their lives. They were absorbed in what they themselves were doing. 9 1 At the same time, you need to know that I carry with me at all times a huge sorrow. ... Conference Message. Preaching Zeal That Accords with Knowledge. If there were any way I could be cursed by the Messiah so they could be blessed by him, I’d do it in a minute. Don't Throw It All Away Series. Romans 9 God's Sovereign Choice. I'm not exaggerating - Christ … I'm not exaggerating—Christ and the Holy Spirit are my witnesses. By no means! Please enter your email address associated with your Salem All-Pass account, then click Continue. Oh, yes! It tends very much to the clearing of a truth, to observe how the Scripture is fulfilled in it. Romans 9 analyzes the following concepts: adoption, selection, calling, Physical Israel, and Spiritual Israel. What God did in this case made it perfectly plain that his purpose is not a hit-or-miss thing dependent on what we do or don’t do, but a sure thing determined by his decision, flowing steadily from his initiative. When she became pregnant by our one-of-a-kind ancestor, Isaac, and her babies were still innocent in the womb—incapable of good or bad—she received a special assurance from God. It’s an enormous pain deep within me, and I’ Arithmetic is not his focus. I'm not exaggerating—Christ and … Romans 9:25-26. Either or both happens to Jews, but it also happens to the other people. From the outset, not all Israelites of the flesh were Israelites of the spirit. 2:6, 7; Cited from Isa. And so they stumbled into him and went sprawling. If God needs one style of pottery especially designed to show his angry displeasure and another style carefully crafted to show his glorious goodness, isn’t that all right? When she became pregnant by our one-of-a-kind ancestor, Isaac, and her babies were still innocent in the womb—incapable of good or bad—she received a special assurance from God. Romans 10; Romans 9 Read chapter in The Message Bible. Take a look at the breakdown of Romans 9 below. 1:20]; See ch. Romans 9 1 I speak the truth in Christ—I am not lying, my conscience confirms it through the Holy Spirit— 2 I have great sorrow and unceasing anguish in my heart. took over. Isaiah had looked ahead and spoken the truth: had not provided us a legacy of living children, How can we sum this up? in charge of compassion.” Compassion doesn’t originate in our bleeding hearts or moral sweat, but in God’s mercy. To Rebecca, also, a promise was made that took priority over genetics. Romans 9The Message (MSG) God Is Calling His People 9 1-5 At the same time, you need to know that I carry with me at all times a huge sorrow. Click here for the contents page.. We have seen that chapters 9-11 of Romans match with chapters 3-4. Ishmael was the firstborn son of Abraham; but he was passed by, for the promise was, “In Isaac shall thy seed be called.” Romans 9:8-10. By passing over Ishmael, God showed that there was nothing of saving in blood or birth. I'm not exaggerating - Christ and the Holy Spirit are my witnesses. They were so absorbed in their “God projects” that they didn’t notice God right in front of them, like a huge rock in the middle of the road. Scripture: Romans 9… I’m not exaggerating—Christ and the Holy Spirit are my witnesses. If you're looking for me, you'll find me on the way, not in the way. I'm not exaggerating - Christ and the Holy Spirit are my witnesses. 1:25; John 1:1; 2 Cor. 49:18; 50:40; Amos 4:11, ch. and her who was not beloved I will call ‘beloved.’”, Upgrade to Bible Gateway Plus, and access the, 2 Cor. 19 You will say to me then, “Why does he still find fault? 6-9 Don’t suppose for a moment, though, that God’s Word has malfunctioned in some way or other. God decided on this course of action in full view of the public—to set the world in the clear with himself through the sacrifice of Jesus, finally taking care of the sins he had so patiently endured. It’s the word of faith that welcomes God to go to work and set things right for us. God Is Calling His People 9 1 At the same time, you need to know that I carry with me at all times a huge sorrow. Chapters 9-11 continue to discuss the implications of this key teaching from Paul. 6 But it is not as though the word of God has failed. The problem goes back a long way. Because instead of trusting God, they took over. 14 What shall we say then? That does not change the obvious statements concerning God's work being his alone, regardless of our take or preference or opinion or even our integrity of decision. If we follow Him in faith, we will play a thrilling part in His plan for this world. If the big decisions are already made, what say do we have in it?”. Romans 9:17 The same point was made when God said to Pharaoh, "I picked you as a bit player in this drama of my salvation power." It's an enormous pain deep within me, and I'm never free of it. It’s the Israelites . | 488 views. 3 If there were any way I could be cursed by the Messiah so they could be blessed by him, I’d do it in a minute. . They’re my family. Romans 9 The Message (MSG) God Is Calling His People 9 1-5 At the same time, you need to know that I carry with me at all times a huge sorrow. Remember that promise, “When I come back next year at this time, Sarah will have a son”? 1:8, Heb. If there were any way I could be cursed by the Messiah so they could be blessed by him, I’d do it in a minute. It’s the Israelites . Romans 10:9-10 New International Version (NIV) 9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. Intro: Paul’s anguish for Israel’s salvation (vv. For (Z)who can resist his will?” 20 But who are you, O man, (AA)to answer back to God? 2 It's an enormous pain deep within me, and I'm never free of it. I’ve put a huge stone on the road to Mount Zion,    a stone you can’t get around.But the stone is me! Yes it is about Israel and Gentiles. The problem goes back a long way. It wasn’t Abraham’s sperm that gave identity here, but God’s, Remember how it was put: “Your family will be defined by Isaac”? It’s an enormous pain deep within me, and I’m never free of it. In the place where they yelled out, “You’re nobody!”, they’re calling you “God’s living children.”, If each grain of sand on the seashore were numbered. 13:19; Jer. But the stone is me! Read verse in The Message Bible I’ll call nobodies and make them somebodies; I’ll call the unloved and make them beloved. (AS)That Gentiles who did not pursue righteousness have attained it, that is, (AT)a righteousness that is by faith; 31 but that Israel (AU)who pursued a law that would lead to righteousness[d] (AV)did not succeed in reaching that law. 2 It’s an enormous pain deep within me, and I’m never free of it. The problem goes back a long way. . 2:12, ch. In chapters 3-4, Paul explains that a right-standing before God is not based on ethnicity or works, but is given to all who have faith in Christ. The same point was made when God said to Pharaoh, “I picked you as a bit player in this drama of my salvation power.” All we’re saying is that God has the first word, initiating the action in which we play our part for good or ill. Are you going to object, “So how can God blame us for anything since he’s in charge of everything? Yes it is about Israel and Gentiles. 32 Why? At the same time, you need to know that I carry with me at all times a huge sorrow. 1:17; 3:21, 22; 10:6; Gal. That means that Israelite identity was never racially determined by sexual transmission, but it was. (At the bottom of this post, you’ll find an overview of Romans 9 and a list of questions to ask if you happen to be teaching this chapter.) Romans 9 God Is Calling His People 1-5 At the same time, you need to know that I carry with me at all times a huge sorrow. ESV® Text Edition: 2016. Paul was both Jewish and a Roman citizen. John Piper Feb 9, 2003 374 Shares Sermon. What does Romans chapter 9 mean? But it certainly does not support a general theology of predestination unto heaven or hell for all human beings. I’m not exaggerating—Christ and the Holy Spirit are my witnesses. God told Moses, “I’m in charge of mercy. 6-9 Don’t suppose for a moment, though, that God’s Word has malfunctioned in some way or other. 30 What shall we say, then? If each grain of sand on the seashore were numbered    and the sum labeled “chosen of God,”They’d be numbers still, not names;    salvation comes by personal selection.God doesn’t count us; he calls us by name. Say the welcoming word to God—“Jesus is my Master”—embracing, body and soul, God’s work of doing in us what he did in raising Jesus from the dead. you’ll find me on the way, not in the way. And Israel, who seemed so interested in reading and talking about what God was doing, missed it. For I could wish that I myself were cursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my people, those of … The Holy Bible, English Standard Version. you’ll find me on the way, not in the way. I've put a huge stone on the road to Mount Zion, a stone you can't get around. It's an enormous pain deep within me, and I'm never free of it. Romans 9:2: It's an enormous pain deep within me, and I'm never free of it. But, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. At the same time, you need to know that I carry with me at all times a huge sorrow. 1 At the same time, you need to know that I carry with me at all times a huge sorrow. Do you for one moment suppose any of us knows enough to call God into question? They were so absorbed in their “God projects” that they didn’t notice God right in front of them, like a huge rock in the middle of the road. These involve both Israel's place in God's plans and God's own character. 29:23; Isa. Romans 9:7. 3 For (B)I could wish that I myself were (C)accursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my brothers,[a] my kinsmen (D)according to the flesh. It wasn’t Abraham’s sperm that gave identity here, but God’s promise. The same point was made when God said to Pharaoh, “I picked you as a bit player in this drama of my salvation power.” All we’re saying is that God has the first word, initiating the action in which we play our part for good or ill. 19 Are you going to object, “So how can God blame us for anything since he’s in charge of everything? I'm not exaggerating - Christ and the Holy Spirit are my witnesses. Isaiah had looked ahead and spoken the truth: If our powerful God    had not provided us a legacy of living children,We would have ended up like ghost towns,    like Sodom and Gomorrah. Romans 9:16 - MSG - Compassion doesn't originate in our bleeding hearts... Study verse in the The Message Who in the world do you think you are to second-guess God? It's the Israelites . . what God was doing as he straightened out their lives. It tells believers that our God is on the move in and through us; that His plan is moving forward. MSG Romans 9 God Is Calling His People 1-5 At the same time, you need to know that I carry with me at all times a huge sorrow. Hosea put it well: I’ll call nobodies and make them somebodies; I’ll call the unloved and make them beloved. 2:7; [2 Cor. That means that Israelite identity was never racially determined by sexual transmission, but it was God-determined by promise. When she became pregnant by our one-of-a-kind ancestor, Isaac, and her babies were still innocent in the womb—incapable of good or bad—she received a special assurance from God. Either or both happens to Jews, but it also happens to the other people. All those people who didn’t seem interested in what God was doing actually. To Rebecca, also, a promise was made that took priority over genetics. I had my understanding of Romans 9 challenged by another member so I thought it would be helpful to open up a discussion on this. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel, 7 and not all are children of Abraham (O)because they are his offspring, but (P)“Through Isaac shall your offspring be named.” 8 This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but (Q)the children of the promise are counted as offspring. 10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved. Romans 9 makes some bald statements that, in spite of the theme and focus of the context cannot be ignored. Romans 9:33: Isaiah (again!) I grew up with them. From the outset, not all Israelites of the flesh were Israelites of the spirit. Romans 10:9 Parallel Verses [⇓ See commentary ⇓] Romans 10:9, NIV: "If you declare with your mouth, 'Jesus is Lord,' and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved." The problem goes back a long way. Romans 9 1 At the same time, you need to know that I carry with me at all times a huge sorrow. They’re my family. 11:18; Cited from Gen. 21:12; [Gal. 9 (A)I am speaking the truth in Christ—I am not lying; my conscience bears me witness in the Holy Spirit— 2 that I have great sorrow and unceasing anguish in my heart. Like … 1-3). 28:16; [Ps. (W)Is there injustice on God's part? 12:19; Gal. Don’t suppose for a moment, though, that God’s Word has malfunctioned in some way or other. They had everything going for them—family, glory, covenants, revelation, worship, promises, to say nothing of being the race that produced the Messiah, the Christ, who is God over everything, always. Romans 9 King James Version (KJV). If God needs one style of pottery especially designed to show his angry displeasure and another style carefully crafted to show his glorious goodness, isn’t that all right? 3:29], Deut. 25 As indeed he says in Hosea, (AK)“Those who were not my people I will call ‘my people,’    and her who was not beloved I will call ‘beloved.’”26 (AL)“And in the very place where it was said to them, ‘You are not my people,’    there they will be called (AM)‘sons of the living God.’”. 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 2000, 2001, 2002 Eugene H. Peterson by NavPress Publishing. It’s an enormous pain deep within me, and I’m never free of it. 27 And Isaiah cries out concerning Israel: (AN)“Though the number of the sons of Israel[c] be as the sand of the sea, (AO)only a remnant of them will be saved, 28 for the Lord will carry out his sentence upon the earth fully and without delay.” 29 And as Isaiah predicted, (AP)(AQ)“If the Lord of hosts had not left us offspring,    (AR)we would have been like Sodom    and become like Gomorrah.”. But the stone is me! Contributed by Mark Schaeufele on Sep 15, 2020. Clay doesn’t talk back to the fingers that mold it, saying, “Why did you shape me like this?” Isn’t it obvious that a potter has a perfect right to shape one lump of clay into a vase for holding flowers and another into a pot for cooking beans? gives us the metaphor for pulling this together: Careful! Romans 9 tackles challenging and hard-to-follow issues. Because instead of trusting God. The problem goes back a long way. 11:31; Heb. Not so fast, please. Paul begins by declaring how heartbroken he is about the state of his people Israel. He and his father both served as Pharisees. 92:15, Deut. Copyright © 2001 by Crossway Bibles, a publishing ministry of Good News Publishers. . 2 It's an enormous pain deep within me, and I'm never free of it. Having faith in him sets us in the clear. Remember how it was put: “Your family will be defined by Isaac”? And Israel, who seemed so interested in reading and talking about what God was doing, missed it. Isaiah (again!) They were absorbed in what they themselves were doing. And that’s not the only time. All those people who didn’t seem interested in what God was doing actually. 14-18 Is that grounds for complaining that God is unfair? Romans 9:20-33-20-33 MSG. Who in the world do you think you are to second-guess God? Romans 9:11. Careful! 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